EP. 16: Interview with Karin G. Reiter
My guest today is Karin G. Reiter. Her nutrition journey started when she was diagnosed at the age of 18 with her first autoimmune disease (Hashimoto’s thyroid disease). She then doubled down after being diagnosed with celiac disease following the birth of her second child. She did not see much improvement in her symptoms or antibody levels following a conventional medicinal approach. So, she began to study medical nutrition and eventually left her career in law and finance to devote her life to helping others through the healing power of food. She’s consulted some of the largest organizations all over the world (McKinsey, Microsoft, Google, Amazon, Paypal) and has written several e-books including a children’s cookbook. She currently resides in Israel and it was amazing to get this chance to chat with her and share our conversation with you!
“You either pay the farmer or you pay medical bills.” Karin helps her clients get to the root causes of their symptoms which starts with the basics: nutrition, sleep, water, identifying toxins, and limiting stress. As Hippocrates stated, “All disease begins in your gut”. Which may not be 100% true, but we need to consume 30 different fruits and vegetables a week + quality protein in order to attain good gut microbiome. Ibuprofen, the birth control pill, antibiotics, alcohol, and stress have killed our gut microbiome! It’s no wonder that we’re seeing more 18-20 year old women who suffer from depression and anxiety, PCOS, endometriosis, and who are being diagnosed with diabetes…
I also loved our chat about kids and how we teach them good nutrition when what’s often available and marketed to them are crappy foods. It was nice to hear another perspective across the world that echoes my practice and my research.
Show Notes
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So I'd like to welcome my guest Karen. She's a functional medicine nutritionist. She certified with meditation and a breathwork teacher, fitness trainer, author, wife, mama, and founder of Nutritious and Delicious. She's been a leader in the nutrition and wellness industry for the last 15 years. And she founded Nutritious and Delicious in 2011 in Australia after a corporate career in law and finance.
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And her aim was to touch as many people as possible and provide knowledge, support, guidance, and advice on building a healthier lifestyle. She has led workshops and nutrition programs in Singapore, Hong Kong, Greece, Thailand, Bali, Israel, and Australia. And she has a passion to educate and ask questions and to bring to light the importance of natural nourishing foods. And she's a passionate speaker,
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a journalist in the area of nutrition, has written numerous publications, and is also the author of two children's recipe books branded The Rosy Cheeked Kids. So I'd like to welcome Karen. I follow her on Instagram and she just posts amazing things.
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So I'm anxious to hear what you have to say.
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Well, thank you, and thank you so much for having me. I'm always excited to be on and humbled that people want me on their podcasts, so thank you.
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Yeah, so for me, as far as my background, I'm a chiropractor, a clinical nutritionist. My husband actually is a chef, but I don't want to say not a healthy chef. They have an Irish pub, right? So not the healthiest foods. So that's for me one area that I am wanting to grow in as far as like
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recipes, tips and strategies for patients and followers just to have a balanced diet, meal planning. What are your recommendations for that? So you know I
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don't follow any specific diet. I don't promote a specific diet. I don't believe in a specific diet. I really, really think that we are all personalized beings. So we all have like a really, really, really unique, genetic, physical makeup. And the way that we eat needs to suit that. So how do we know what's good for us and what's not good for us? You know, and how do we know if we should be eating certain foods or we should be avoiding certain foods?
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That's where being connected to your body and understanding the signs and symptoms that your body sends you comes in handy. So I'll give you an example. If you are eating, you know, certain foods, but you struggle with gut issues like constipation or maybe diarrhea, or maybe you're really, really bloated or you have reflux, right? Then most likely the food you're eating is not doing you a favor. Another sign is
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brain fog. When you're just not on it, you're not sharp, you're not fierce in that sense that you remember everything. Another sign is your skin. People struggle with a lot of different skin issues from rosacea, eczema, acne. These are all really, really big signs, big red flags that your body isn't loving your nutrition. So those just a few, but energy, your menstrual cycle, your immune system, these are all signs that your body isn't loving your immune system.
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So if you feel perfect, then probably what you're eating is pretty much good for you. But if you don't feel great, then it's time to maybe make some changes in your diet. And so for me, I think the biggest thing that people, you know, it can be really overwhelming,
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you know, nutrition, right? Like if you go online, it's like, oh my God. So for me, I always tell people, start off with the basic stuff, like drop the junk. Everybody knows what junk is. Drop the junk. Eat food that comes from nature, comes from a tree, comes from the ground, was an animal, eat it. If it comes from a box, a jar, a can, a packet, probably best avoid it. And the second one is to drink a lot of water, which is again, something that's so simple, everybody knows it. But few people are actually doing it well and properly. Like people are
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a lot of the time dehydrated, not drinking enough, not drinking good quality water, over caffeinating, over alcohol, you know. So really, for me, it starts with the basic stuff. Let's start with basic things. And I think that's where you start off and you start to explore what works for you. Maybe you pay attention to if you've eaten a lot of dairy,
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what does that do to you? Or if you've eaten a lot of gluten, what does that do to you? And maybe if you can start to put one and one together, then you can start understanding if something works for you, if something doesn't work for you. You know, in functional
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medicine, we can use all these fancy schmancy tests, like food sensitivity tests and all that. And that's great, you know, for people who have the the the ability to do these tests, because they're quite expensive. But you don't need to, you really don't need to, you really just need to go to the food and eat proper real food. You know, and it's, it's tough, because if
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you're juggling a lot of things like if you're a career person and you've got a family or you don't have time Or you're commuting it can be it can be hard right because as you know to eat Well, you need to put some effort into that. You need to put some thought you need to make time to cook and to menu plan and to shop and to Create these healthy foods. It's not so easy to get, you know, really healthy foods out and it's it's probably more expensive as well.
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Oh, for sure. Now, what inspired you to write the children's recipe books?
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So, my journey into nutrition, or into the natural world, became because I got sick with two autoimmune diseases. And that's why I quit my career in law and finance and moved into, I went to study. I went to study to help myself. And then I was like, wow, this is, this is what I want to do.
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And that's how I got into this world. Um, and then, you know, I became a mom, right. I had two, two kids and, um, I started sending my kids to school and to birthday parties, and I started to see what was being served to children. And, you know, I was fortunate enough to live in many places in the world, so I kind of got to observe many different cultures and people.
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It's pretty straightforward, I can say across all boards. People feed their kids junk, real junk, and it's acceptable, which is what's really sad about it. It's very acceptable to feed your children junk food. It doesn't really matter what socioeconomic or cultural or national backgrounds you come from. Most people are not feeding their children proper food, real food. And I had a really good friend at
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the time who was a very passionate chef and a food stylist. She co-authored the book with me. And we were just passionate about it. We were like, let's make this easy for people. Let's teach them how to make like proper lunchboxes, you know, from real food. And let's teach them to make party food for kids that is actual real food. And it doesn't compromise the fun part. And it's not too much work in the kitchen. But it's also something that, you
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know, you're actually feeding your kids real food, you're starting off somewhere. And that was our inspiration. And we had a lot of fun doing that. Although, I don't know if I'm ever going to write a recipe book again. It's quite hard. The recipe part is very easy.
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Sure.
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It's the whole putting the book together and reading it and making sure, like, the editing is, yeah, it's hard work.
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Right, exactly.
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Well, that's really interesting because I always think, just from my limited travels. You know, the US is a lot more processed, whereas over in, you know, Greece, Israel, Australia, maybe a little bit less, but you see it across the board.
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Yeah, I lived in a few places in Asia, I lived in Australia. My kids go to camp in America, so I know the American system as happy food because they're a great market to market to. So food retailers market to them very easily. And the food that they eat is very addictive. So the sugar and the salt and the MSG, it's a super addictive flavor and people get addicted
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to it, especially kids.
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And then they want to eat more and more and they want to buy it. So of course you're going to open a pack of Doritos and you're going to eat the whole thing because it's got tons of NSG in it and sugar, so you want to eat more of it. You know, whereas if you made homemade potato chips, maybe you wouldn't eat as many, you know? Yeah.
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Yeah, that's a great point. I even noticed because my son's three, I noticed a big difference when he has junk from somewhere else and not what he has at home. And it takes about 72 hours, I've noticed, for him to kind of detox that out of the system?
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A hundred percent. And you know, I used to call it the Sunday shenanigans because the kids used to go to parties on Sunday and they used to eat like sugar, sugar and food colorings and God knows what else. And you know, as a parent it's really hard as well. What do you do? You don't let your kid eat these foods. You know, at some point you have to kind of decide if you want your kids to be part of something or not.
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And you know, three is easy, but when you've got older kids, it's a little bit harder to kind of, you know, tell them no. And the kids used to come home and they used to run around in circles. They used to be like so hyper and so out of control. There'd be like tons of meltdowns, you know, and that's how it flags itself with little kids. It's that meltdowns at that real uncontrolled blood sugar level and the food colorings, which will really affect children with ADHD or ADD. But later on with the elder kids, you're then looking at, if you're eating this very low fiber
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diet, you don't have enough vegetables in there, you don't have enough protein in there, you're eating a lot of refined carbohydrates, a lot of sugar, then you're actually looking at change of your microbiome. And that's big because that will start to affect things like depression and anxiety, which we now know is a huge issue with teenagers. So, you know, it's going to affect depression, anxiety, it's going to affect their skin, acne. Anyhow, teenagers have acne, but if you're not eating a good diet, you're going to have really bad acne,
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and that may affect your self-confidence. And it's such a delicate age because anyhow, everything there is just hard. It might affect your weight. It might affect your thyroid. There's so many things that could be affected by your diet. But if you've been brought up believing that you could eat whatever you want and food doesn't
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really affect you, and you've gotten yourself now addicted to these foods, it's really hard to take a teenager and change their diet You know I don't expect teenagers to eat like adults in terms of like You know really watching what they're eating and make sure that they're eating a lot of fruits and vegetables But I do expect them to have very good habits from home. And that's that's on the parents
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That's that's the job of the parents just like you teach your child not to swear Or to hit other people in the playground or at school. Hopefully you teach your children as well what's real food for their body and what's not. And it's okay to go out with your friends and have a pizza occasionally or an ice cream,
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whatever.
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But what you eat at home, 80% of the time, these home meals that you do, it makes a big difference on their habits. And I don't know if you've heard of Dr. Maya Shetre, she's a very well-known pediatrician from the U.S. She's an amazing, amazing neurologist who's a pediatric neurologist and she wrote an amazing book. And in the book she brings this interesting, interesting statistic saying that children that eat dinner with their parents most days, most nights, they have higher IQs than
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children that don't. So it's not just what we're feeding the kids. It's the spending time. It's this understanding of like food as a ritual. And for me, I was very curious about it because I was looking at statistics of children's health and I was noting how bad the statistics are specifically for nations that are well off, you know,
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like most of these children were vaccinated, were breastfed, were given, you know, good sanitary conditions. So these children don't need to have bad health, but they actually do. And also I was looking at all this new area,
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which is pretty new, and it only exists in places in the West of these food aversions, children that won't eat. Like I have lots of patients that tell me my children will not eat a vegetable. And then these children will only eat pasta or bread, cheese, like very bland type of foods. I went back to research cultures.
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What were people doing once? There was no kids food. What were people doing? Nobody cooked the cheese toast for your child if you didn't eat dinner. You just ate what there was to eat. As a family, right?
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So that, it really interested me and I dove deep into that. And I don't want to sound like I'm bragging or anything, but my two kids are good eaters. I don't say that they don't eat junk. And I don't say that they don't like to eat junk, they do. But they have good habits, like they can cook, my kids are much older than yours. They can cook well and they know what healthy food means and they know how to make good choices. Do they always make them? God, no. But they do know.
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And I think that for me, I was like, I did it. I'm happy. They have that tool. They know what's right and they know what's wrong. And you don't need to make a big deal of it. It just really right? Yeah. Yeah. What was your tactic when they were younger, to kind of get them away from junk food? If they would ask, why can't I have the Skittles or the M&Ms? Like, what was your tactic for that?
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Right question. At the very young ages, when they really
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don't understand, you just say, you know, it's not good for you. It's gonna make you sick. It's not healthy for you. Mommy's protecting you type of a thing. And just divert their attention. Have this instead. As they grew older, they were like, well, how come so-and-so is getting that in
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their lunchbox? And that's where you have to, you have to really model the behavior at home. And then you also have to, you have to tell them the truth. This is what it does to your body. Obviously age appropriate, right? What I noticed that was when my kids were eating junk food, they would often complain of a stomachache, a running tummy. And then I would say, can you see, I would make a
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connection. Can you see that when you ate this and this, you had a sore tummy? And then it's not in one day, you have to like, repetitively, you repetitively do that. And, and they got it. They got it. Even today, my kids are teenagers, I still will say to them, my daughter will say to me, oh, I had a really bad week of food. I ate a whole lot of sweets.
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We were on a trip. I look at my skin and I'm like, yeah, sugar is not great for your skin. She knows. She knows. I can't control, you can't control teenagers. There's just no chance.
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So you've got to let them fly into the world and you have to believe that they know how to make a... So she was like, now this week, I'm going to make sure I'm having breakfast at home and I'm going to make sure that I'm packing a lunch.
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She knows.
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Great.
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Well, I think it's just having that foundation, that life skill, definitely makes it easier as they get older.
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Yeah, but you know, a lot of adults don't have that foundation.
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Oh, absolutely.
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Yeah, and so when you're in that situation, when you have very bad eating habits, it's hard for you to model that behavior. So for a lot of people, I always recommend doing baby steps. Don't jump in too far.
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Timeline it.
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Say in the next three months, if I drink every day, say Coke Zero, or Coca Cola, or Pepsi, whatever, for the next three months, my goal is to swap to water. That's it. That's the one goal. Like if you set small achievable goals, there's a chance that you're going to make it. But if you say I'm going to completely change my lifestyle in three months,
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you're probably going to give in after one or two days. So So setting small achievable goals and then also having a very strong why, like knowing why you want to do this, to remind yourself. Because when you have a food addiction, you're addicted to Coke Zero or to sugar or to carbs or whatever it is, when you take that out of your diet, you maybe have one or two days where you're okay and then the cravings kick in.
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And then it's going to be very hard and if you don't have a very strong why and If you are not set That is going to be tough for you So you got it? You got a master your why you got to be very mindful about it and and work on those goals and figure it out You know and how am I going to do this?
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You know I'm going to take out all the coke from my house because I if it's in the house I'm going to drink it for sure
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For sure. Well, yeah, and as you said, the processed food, I mean, we're talking about truly chemical addiction. It's not food. So you almost have to go through a detox with that.
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It's like an addiction to drugs. You really, I, my weight loss girls, I tell them all the time, like, in my groups, you know, people actually go through proper, you know, you know, sugar addictions, and they have to get off sugar. Sugar was proven to be more addictive than cocaine. So when you're having sugar after every meal, and you've got that sugar craving, it's going to take you a long time to get off that 21 days takes your brain to recover from a sugar addiction. If you really, really working hard, you've got to be really
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strong, you've got to create an environment that doesn't make you fall back into that addiction. You know, it's like, if you're an alcoholic, you don't go back into a bar. If you've got sugar addiction, you don't buy sugar into the house.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. I always tell my patients, you can't eat it if it's not there.
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Yeah. Something so simple, but be mindful and conscious of how you're spending your money, how you're investing in your health. It was funny because right now, of course, fruit is very expensive in the States, and our kids eat fruit like it's water, like it's going out of style. And my husband commented on how expensive it is, and I said, well, it's easier to spend
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money on their health and wellness than on medical bills and doctor's visits. So it's kind of like shifting that mindset.
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It's true. And it's so sad that healthy food is expensive. Like people say that to me all the time and I'm like, you're right. It is more expensive to eat healthy. Can you do it on a budget?
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You can, but it's harder. It's much easier to eat processed food if you're on a budget. But as you say, you either pay the farmer or you pay the doctor, depending on who you wanna pay. And unfortunately, yeah, that is, you know,
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and that's why buying seasonal, looking for farmer's markets, you know, growing some of the stuff that you buy is handy. But unfortunately, I think across the board in every place that I'm speaking to now, this inflation of prices of fruits and vegetables is ridiculous.
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It's crazy. They make it so that it's harder to be healthy.
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For sure.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Like that you mentioned, you know, with the microbiome and as kids get older it can lead to other issues. I don't know if you've seen this, but I've seen so many, you know, 18, 19, 20 year old females on antidepressants, on the diagnosis of endometriosis, PCOS, and as you've said food is medicine. Are you nourishing it? Are you creating hormone imbalances? Are you dealing with the gut?
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What's your thoughts on that? So in functional medicine, right, we have root causes, right?
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We say there's a couple of root causes for your health or your ill health, right? So it could be things that are physical, like your nutrition, your sleep, your exposure to toxins, the water you drink, the air you breathe, that type of stuff. And there could be also like spiritual, mental, emotional trauma style root causes that are going to affect you as well. When you're growing, you need a whole lot of nutrients because you're constantly producing new cells, you're constantly producing neurotransmitters, and you're constantly producing
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So a diet of someone that wants to actually produce properly, you know, these basic things that your body needs, is a diet that's rich in fruits and vegetables. So we're speaking, you know, like, for a good, healthy microbiome, you need to be eating 30, three zero,
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different vegetables a week. That's a lot. That's a big diversity. So it's not only eating a lot. You could eat a whole lot of cucumbers, but that's not gonna solve your problem.
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You've gotta eat diverse. So it's the diversity of eating a whole lot of fruits and vegetables, and then the second very important thing that your body needs is protein. Protein is essential, because protein breaks down into amino acids,
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and amino acids are kind of the base of your hormones and your neurotransmitters, and even your cells. So if your diet is low in protein, which most Western diets are, and your diet is low in vegetables, which again, most Western diets aren't, you've got a problem. And so what happens is you start to create these nutritional deficiencies. You start to get low on vitamin D because you're not spending enough time
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outdoors. You're in front of your computer, you're indoors, whatever, right? Generation iPad. And then you start to create other nutritional deficiencies like the B vitamins and iron and Magnesium and zinc and your body just is running on empty. It doesn't have what it needs to actually produce You know a proper working body, you know and If you're eating the wrong kind of fats instead of eating things like avocados and nuts and seeds and olives and olive oil, you're eating processed chips and crisps and you're using canola oil and vegetable oil and these
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seed oils, then the health of your cells starts to deteriorate. And that happens very quickly. People think, oh, you know, we used to think of people getting old and being sick, but we're seeing younger and younger people, you know, diabetes and PCOS and endometriosis and anxiety, depression, autoimmunity, you know, the lot. And that's happening because at a very young age, but they're not fed what their body needs. It's like, how can your car run without fuel?
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You know, or if it's an electric car, how can your car run without electricity? It won't, it starts to have problems. And the microbiome, so this is your gut, this is a really important part of your health. And your microbiome thrives from getting this diverse fruit and vegetable diet,
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but also it thrives from getting probiotics, good bacteria, which once used to be abundant in people's life and diet because we used to have a very outdoorsy type of, people used to plant things. They used to like dig in the soil. They used to have animals.
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They used to, you know, hang out outdoors. They used to ferment foods to save, to, you know, to to actually save them.
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Right.
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The people used to plant in the summer and harvest in the summer. Sorry, plant in the spring, harvest in the summer. And then they would they would save it for the winter. So they would like pickle things. Right. They would make like pickled cucumbers or sauerkraut, or kimchi, or whatever, you know, and that was a very good source of probiotics. No one eats that now. It's like weird people's food. And then we introduced
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a whole lot of things that really kill the bacteria in the gut, like oral contraceptive pill, like ibuprofen-style drugs, you know, pain relief. We also introduce a lot of antibiotics, a lot more antibiotics than we need. And it's not only that we're not, it's not only antibiotics that you take, it's the stuff that gets into your system from the water, from the chicken, from the eggs, from the dairy, you know. You're getting a whole lot of antibiotics through other things, even if you're not taking antibiotics. And that, that busts the bacteria in your gut, the good and the bad, and alcohol use and stress.
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So when you've got all those, your gut microbiome is not going to be working well, and that is seriously going to affect your health. In naturopathy, in the natural world, we say all disease begins in your gut. That was Hippocrates. That's what he said. And it really is true. It really is true. Like the gut is where we usually start
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in functional medicine. But I have a lot of young patients, as do a lot of my colleagues. And at very young ages, we're seeing really crazy stuff, you know, that we wouldn't have seen probably 50 years ago at young, young people's age.
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And but there's the, do you know what? I don't want to leave it at like a depressing end in the sense, I want to say that the body has this incredible ability to heal itself. It can really repair itself, even if you're very, very, very sick. You can still get better, you know, and
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you can still lead a great life. If you know how to help yourself. And, and this is these are great times in a sense, And I think that's a great point. I think that's a great point. And I think that's a great point. And I think that's a great point.
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And I think that's a great point.
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And I think that's a great topic for a podcast or social media would be, how do you know you're doing the right thing? Because in the 70s, we thought margarine was the right thing. We thought not eating eggs was the right thing. And I said, you know, that's, there's a short answer to that. We're more educated.
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And it's common sense going back to what our ancestors did, doing what cultures have done for thousands of years and not listening to big ag, big pharma, the marketing. I think you're, I mean, you're right. I think people are getting more educated and smarter and more mindful, which is a beautiful thing.
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Hopefully.
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I fear a lot that big pharma is using a lot of fear tactics on us. We saw that during COVID and that's scary because they're convincing us, and I'm not against pharma, I'm not against modern medicine. My dad's a doctor, I don't hate doctors, I have nothing,
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like I love doctors, they're great. But I think, and in some places in the world it works, like in Germany for example, where modern medicine and natural medicine hold hands together. Yes. And the doctors are educated on that.
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They know they're not gonna give you straight away a medicine. They're gonna give you some homeopathy or some vitamins or something before they run. But if you do need it, they will give you the medicine.
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That's what I want.
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I want doctors and modern medicine to be more open-minded to other modalities of natural medicine, to help their patients. And for people to not be naive and kind of believe every single thing that they're told because there is an agenda. I hope by now the world has started to understand that there's an agenda and across everything, so many places in our lives, we're being spoon
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fed something that they want us to think or believe in, which I think is something that we need to open our eyes to. Yeah, I think, I mean, you're exactly right. Question, and I tell my patients this and my students this, question everything. Ask why.
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100%.
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Ask the point and just, yeah, be more mindful and informed. 100% and I think the more knowledge you have,
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no matter on what, the better your outcome's gonna be. And I especially encourage moms to get educated about this. You know, sometimes it's not in your priorities to learn about nutrition. I mean, me and you would probably love it, but some people are like, well, I couldn't care less.
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But a mom has so much influence in the house over what people eat, over what her kids eat, what her husband eats. If she just can educate herself a little bit about some natural things that she can help her family, you know, support them through, you know, diseases, just learn like if your kid's got a cold, ABC can help, you know, before you rush and give them Tylenol
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or whatever. If the mom learns about basic nutrition, you know, this is good, this is not as good, these are things that you shouldn't have in the house. Like this is not food that's worthwhile. Then that family has such a good chance of getting on the health wagon.
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0:30:58
You know, I don't want to just minimize the dads here because some dads are awesome, but I see that when the mom makes the change in the house, and I have this a lot because a lot of women come to me first because they want to lose weight or they want to fix their hormones or whatever.
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0:31:15
When they get on the bandwagon, the whole house does.
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0:31:18
The whole house does.
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Yeah, I agree.
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I feel like there are a lot of the time
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the decision makers, the role models, the influencers and the family. Yeah, yeah, the CEOs.
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0:31:30
Yeah, absolutely. Thank you so much.
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I will be sure to share your recipe books because I know a lot of my followers have so many questions on what to make, how to prepare, especially with kiddos. And I'll share your Instagram information and I'm sure if there's any other questions, we'll be in touch. Thank you so much, Dr. Heather, and I appreciate you inviting me on and having me and allowing me to share a little bit. on and having me and allowing me to share it a little bit. on and having me and allowing me to share it a little bit.
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Yeah, thank you so much for taking the time.
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